Long-Term Canopy Anchors?

Idk why your wowing..thats what im thinking about everyone on here that gave him another option. I told him what i knew .and he appreciated it. so
 
Tuebor said:
"Any and all advice is much appreciated."

And the most practical advice was given in the first response. It's been discussed here several times and it always comes back to using throwline or cord stored in the desired union. Cheap, practical, versatile.
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Ok yeah i get that. Thats great you gave your advice. A long term friction saver inst practical. And thats what hes looking for. So i still stand behind. The wire core long term friction saver. He can buy a long term friction saver and leave it up there. Thats what he wants. But yeah he will still have to use throw line paracord or and old rope. To get his rope in and out of the tree.
 
@Christrees let me just point out a couple things. 1- a simple Google search would have shown the OP tons of choices for long term friction savers. If he just wanted that, he wouldn't have asked the question on a forum like this. He was asking for a more nuanced answer. People who have one idea about something often modify their plan when they become aware of new information or options so this is a healthy process. 2- the OP is free to tell us what he really does or doesn't want to do. Nobody here is giving advice with malice or judgment. 3- You are creating friction between yourself and other forum members for no reason, please consider saving some of that friction for subjects that warrant it. And yes, that was a friction saver joke.
 
Just a couple of thoughts on the steel line canopy anchor. The description on treestuff says its designed to be left in the tree overnight, it never says for a long period of time. It does say to inspect every 6-12 months, but from how I read it and how they probably mean from a CYA standpoint is that you should store it and inspect that often at minimum.

The literature that comes with it may actually condone leaving it long term.


One other note to consider, there have been steel core failures in the past in fliplines because you cannot inspect the terminations. In this particular setup, the terminations are designed to sit in a direction that funnels water into the termination, increasing the chance for corrosion and bursting with ice buildup.
 
Thanks everyone, this is all helpful. I’m not set on one approach, just looking for any advice about options to consider (from folks who know more about it than me!). I appreciate all the input. One goal eventually is to get my kids out climbing - they’ll love it, and initially I think the simpler I can make it to (safely) set the rope and start climbing the better. That got me thinking about long term pre-set canopy anchors in a couple shag-bark trees that, for me, tend to require lots of fiddling to set up (both placing a throw line and then running the climbing rope across bark that grabs like crazy). Sounds like the steel core friction saver might be perfect for some situations but not all. I won’t rush out and do something reckless, just trying to learn and understand my options. You’ve all given me lots of good info to consider. Thanks!
 
Another point to add on to what Jehinten said - this particular option cannot be retrieved from the ground, since both rings are the same size, although maybe you could jiggle it loose while passing a knot through it.
  • Designed to survive being left in a tree overnight
  • Must be set manually
  • Recommended 6 to 12-month inspection cycle (maximum)
  • Not designed to be retrievable from the ground
 
Jehinten said:
Just a couple of thoughts on the steel line canopy anchor. The description on treestuff says its designed to be left in the tree overnight, it never says for a long period of time. It does say to inspect every 6-12 months, but from how I read it and how they probably mean from a CYA standpoint is that you should store it and inspect that often at minimum.

The literature that comes with it may actually condone leaving it long term.


One other note to consider, there have been steel core failures in the past in fliplines because you cannot inspect the terminations. In this particular setup, the terminations are designed to sit in a direction that funnels water into the termination, increasing the chance for corrosion and bursting with ice buildup.
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It says it designed to be left in a tree overnight...not that it can only be left in a tree over. Obviously wouldnt leave it out there in the winter time.
 
Njdelaney said:
@Christrees let me just point out a couple things. 1- a simple Google search would have shown the OP tons of choices for long term friction savers. If he just wanted that, he wouldn't have asked the question on a forum like this. He was asking for a more nuanced answer. People who have one idea about something often modify their plan when they become aware of new information or options so this is a healthy process. 2- the OP is free to tell us what he really does or doesn't want to do. Nobody here is giving advice with malice or judgment. 3- You are creating friction between yourself and other forum members for no reason, please consider saving some of that friction for subjects that warrant it. And yes, that was a friction saver joke.
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Yeah maybe. But i know i haven't googled a thing since joining here. My only point was if your going to tell him your way you could atleast look into his question and answer it. And i apologized to tom last night i didnt see the part where he posted all answers helpful. Something like that. I just couldn't believe noone but me actually answered his question about a long term friction saver
 
Tom Dunlap said:
I read this as a solicitation for any and all solutions.

This is discussed about once per year. Lots of solutions in the Archives
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Here is my permanent Friction Saver. We now have two each of which have a throwline waiting for our climbing rope. There is a very rugged rubber hose that we put the chain through so that the tree is more protected. All hardware is rated for purposes way beyond what we are using it for. 87102EA6-D05A-4EC2-9FA6-E396A85D6AC0.jpeg
 
Njdelaney said:
This has been addressed a number of times here and I think the consensus is that just leaving a throwline in the tree at all times is the way to go, and never leave a climbing line in the tree. Critters and all manner of other natural forces will quickly compromise it.
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Ha! I just asked @moss this same question. I do keep throw lines in all my trees but have a few crotches with webbing in them and was afraid of UV degradation. I never thought about the squirrels eating the webbing, haha.
 
TREEfool said:
Ha! I just asked @moss this same question. I do keep throw lines in all my trees but have a few crotches with webbing in them and was afraid of UV degradation. I never thought about the squirrels eating the webbing, haha.
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Arboreal rodents chew on gear that has salts from sweat embedded in it. If you wear gloves when installing long-term setups cordage and webbing won't be chewed.
-AJ
 
Jehinten said:
Just a couple of thoughts on the steel line canopy anchor. The description on treestuff says its designed to be left in the tree overnight, it never says for a long period of time. It does say to inspect every 6-12 months, but from how I read it and how they probably mean from a CYA standpoint is that you should store it and inspect that often at minimum.

The literature that comes with it may actually condone leaving it long term.


One other note to consider, there have been steel core failures in the past in fliplines because you cannot inspect the terminations. In this particular setup, the terminations are designed to sit in a direction that funnels water into the termination, increasing the chance for corrosion and bursting with ice buildup.
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There has NEVER been a failure of a steel core flipline using our swaging process. RopeLogic wirecore swaging captures the full load bearing rope sheath and the load bearing cable cable. Redundancy is not an accident.
 
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