Vaccine Mandate

What's your opinion?

  • I support Covid-19 vaccine mandates

    Votes: 16 43.2%
  • I support Covid-19 vaccine mandates with an option for weekly testing

    Votes: 1 2.7%
  • I oppose Covid-19 vaccine mandates

    Votes: 8 21.6%
  • I oppose all vaccine mandates

    Votes: 12 32.4%

  • Total voters
    37
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climbhightree

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I think we are close to saying the same thing.

Thats whataboutism. Guns dont need to be involved for it to be an insurrection. Google it. A violent uprising against a n authority or government is the exact defination google provides. And you dont know if people had concealed guns.
No concealed guns were reported one way or the other. I can pretty much guarantee that is there were guns there you would have heard about it all over the news.

OK then blm riots were an insurrection too...and should be treated the same way.
 

climbhightree

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One side was protesting the treatment of a certain group of people and wants that to change. The other protesters are pissed off that they lost an election and cant, in court produce an credible evidence to support their claims. So they tried to forcefully stop the peaceful transfer of power. Anybody who cant see that clear difference isnt being honest.
No I disagree that is all that Jan 6th was about. It was about the election, but also about much more.

Why try to alienate the millions upon millions of people that voted for Trump? Wouldnt it be better to have healthy debates, and come to a common agreement than to completely disregard them. It is like their voice does not matter, and it not like they are all idiots. So there are people who didn't think they election was valid...the same was said by the other side for 4 years.
 

evo

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Are you? You can’t be that naive that you believe the $39000/ death wasn’t incentivizing the cause of death to be listed as covid ... Cmon man , did ya just fall off the turnip truck or what ? The only way you weren’t dying of covid is if you arrived at hospital riddled with bullets! Many folk died with covid but not from covid yet covid was listed on the death certificate. This is common knowledge to most who have been paying attention. The biological potion you call a vaccine is gene-therapy. Messenger rna IS genetic material so in that sense the vaccines are genetically based therapy. The FDA however classifies them as vaccines. I’m not making any claims that it alters your dna although I’ve read reverse transcription can occur but the chances are infinitesimally small. This particular biological potion has never been tested in humans but it has in animals ... with results I’ll let you look up for yourself.
Then use proper language! There is nothing therapeutic with altering genes of another organism. Genetically engineered corn, soy beans, trees etc aren’t called gene therapies!
Do you have a clue what you are talking about?

Gene therapy is a medical field which focuses on the genetic modification of cells to produce a therapeutic effect[1] or the treatment of disease by repairing or reconstructing defective genetic material.[2] The first attempt at modifying human DNA was performed in 1980 by Martin Cline, but the first successful nuclear gene transfer in humans, approved by the National Institutes of Health, was performed in May 1989.[3]The first therapeutic use of gene transfer as well as the first direct insertion of human DNA into the nuclear genome was performed by French Anderson in a trial starting in September 1990. It is thought to be able to cure many genetic disorders or treat them over time.”



A ribonucleic acid (RNA) vaccine or messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine is a type of vaccine that uses a copy of a molecule called messenger RNA (mRNA) to produce an immune response.[1] The vaccine transfects molecules of synthetic RNA into immune cells, where the vaccine functions as mRNA, causing the cells to build foreign protein that would normally be produced by a pathogen (such as a virus) or by a cancer cell. These protein molecules stimulate an adaptive immune response which teaches the body to identify and destroy the corresponding pathogen or cancer cells.[1] The mRNA is delivered by a co-formulation of the RNA encapsulated in lipid nanoparticles which protect the RNA strands and help their absorption into the cells.[2][3]


mRNA in vitro transcription and innate immunity activation.
Reactogenicity, the tendency of a vaccine t o produce adverse reactions, is similar to that of conventional non-RNA vaccines.[4] People susceptible to an autoimmune response may have an adverse reaction to RNA vaccines.[4] The advantages of RNA vaccines over traditional vaccines are ease of design, speed and lower cost of production, the induction of both cellular and humoral immunity, and lack of interaction with the host's genomic DNA.[5][6] While some RNA vaccines, such as the Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, have the disadvantage of requiring ultracold storage before distribution,[1] other mRNA vaccines, such as the Moderna, CureVac, and Walvax COVID-19 vaccines, do not have such requirements.[7][8]
 
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owScott

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One side was protesting the treatment of a certain group of people and wants that to change. The other protesters are pissed off that they lost an election and cant, in court produce an credible evidence to support their claims. So they tried to forcefully stop the peaceful transfer of power. Anybody who cant see that clear difference isnt being honest.
No concealed guns were reported one way or the other. I can pretty much guarantee that is there were guns there you would have heard about it all over the news.

OK then blm riots were an insurrection too...and should be treated the same way.
Yes I agree, I said people who broke the law should be held accountable on both sides. Their voices were heard, it was called an election. The fact that Trump got alot, alot of votes is not relevant Biden got more, Trump lost thats how it work. If people think the election was fraudulent bring it to court, show evidence that would be the debate you speak of. They cant bring evidence to court because they dont have it, end of debate. Trump supporters tried everything legal and illegal and ran out of options so they through a fit that simple. You keep bringing up blm protests when discussing j6 they are 2 different discussions which one do you want to discuss? I conceded what you say about the blm protests.
 

rico

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But did it, no. Do you know the thoughts and reasons of everyone there, no. So you don't know what the plan was. We're they trying to disrupt things, yes...just like blm riots. Did they actually thing it would make a difference, I doubt it...they were just frustrated and acted out (which doesn't make it right). I only idiots would try to actually take over a government without guns etc.
Hard to have an honest conversation with someone who is being dishonest.
 

climbhightree

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Lebanon, Pa USA
Yes I agree, I said people who broke the law should be held accountable on both sides. Their voices were heard, it was called an election. The fact that Trump got alot, alot of votes is not relevant Biden got more, Trump lost thats how it work. If people think the election was fraudulent bring it to court, show evidence that would be the debate you speak of. They cant bring evidence to court because they dont have it, end of debate. Trump supporters tried everything legal and illegal and ran out of options so they through a fit that simple. You keep bringing up blm protests when discussing j6 they are 2 different discussions which one do you want to discuss? I conceded what you say about the blm protests.
I've never said Biden isn't my President. He is, he was elected by the people. My issue is the alienation of, and attackiing towards, all the people that voted for him.

I liked your comment on somewhat agreeing about the blm. I just say they are more similar than you do.
 

climbhightree

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Lebanon, Pa USA
Hard to have an honest conversation with someone who is being dishonest.
How am I being dishonest? Have I attacked you, or called you a lair for your opinion/belief?

I may not have all the information on the subject, but neither do you. All we can do is debate it and share information to each other. At the end we may just agree to disagree, and in my opinion there is nothing wrong with that.
 

owScott

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I've never said Biden isn't my President. He is, he was elected by the people. My issue is the alienation of, and attackiing towards, all the people that voted for him.

I liked your comment on somewhat agreeing about the blm. I just say they are more similar than you do.
Well if you accept Biden as the president what is there to debate? Nobody is allienating Trump supporters, they just will not accept what you have said. Their voices were heard in the election, they lost move on. Both protesters are similar in the fact that people broke laws and thats unacceptable and should be held accountable. Its why they are protesting is what we are debating. If you and I can agree that Biden is the president what are these people protesting? They are protesting that Trump didnt lose, which you dont agree with. Not sure why you are defending law breaking for a cause you dont agree with. You may not like that Trump lost but as a seemly rational individual you accept. It seems we agree on all points, breaking the laws is unacceptable irregardless of the cause, Biden is the president, so it would seem the basis for their law breaking is unfounded. Also I defend both sides right to protest, make their voices heard, just not the means in which both sides used.
 

rico

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How am I being dishonest? Have I attacked you, or called you a lair for your opinion/belief?

I may not have all the information on the subject, but neither do you. All we can do is debate it and share information to each other. At the end we may just agree to disagree, and in my opinion there is nothing wrong with that.
Rubbish. Through Trumps own words and action we know exactly what his intent before, on, and after Jan 6th was. To stop, stall, or change the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.

Likewise, through the words and action of those participating in the events of Jan 6th we also know what their intent was. To stop, stall, or change to certification process of the 2020 presidential election. To say otherwise is being factually dishonest.

"IF TRUMP TELLS US TO STORM THE F***IN CAPITAL IMA DO THAT THEN!" one defendant wrote. "I thought I was following my President," said yet another.

And storm the capital they did. Roaming the halls of Congress looking for VP Pence and threatening to hang him if he didn’t do want Trump had requested he do.. To stop or change the presidential election certification process that was going on in Congress at that very moment.
 

owScott

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Lafayette
I've never said Biden isn't my President. He is, he was elected by the people. My issue is the alienation of, and attackiing towards, all the people that voted for him.

I liked your comment on somewhat agreeing about the blm. I just say they are more similar than you do.
I am willing to condemn bad behavior even when committed by people I support. I just wish people would do the same on the opposing side. Thats called being honest. Honesty is the best policy and makes for the best arguement as evidence by climbhightree and I having some agreement. This I believe is the means by which this country will get back on track.
 

climbhightree

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Rubbish. Through Trumps own words and action we know exactly what his intent before, on, and after Jan 6th was. To stop, stall, or change the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.

Likewise, through the words and action of those participating in the events of Jan 6th we also know what their intent was. To stop, stall, or change to certification process of the 2020 presidential election. To say otherwise is being factually dishonest.

"IF TRUMP TELLS US TO STORM THE F***IN CAPITAL IMA DO THAT THEN!" one defendant wrote. "I thought I was following my President," said yet another.

And storm the capital they did. roaming the hall looking for pence and threatening to hang him if he didn’t do want Trump had requested he do.. To stop or change the presidential election certification process that was going on in Congress at that very moment.
OK. So how about the government officials supporting the blm roits and destruction (calling out for more) ...are you just as upset with them? Or is your only concern about the tragedies of the right?

Why is one OK and the other is wrong? I've said Jan 6th was wrong, repeatly. I don't support what they did, at all. I'm not being dishonest, I'm just saying that the protest was about more than the just election. The breaking in, and violence was wrong and illegal and they should be charged etc.
 

climbhightree

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Lebanon, Pa USA
I am willing to condemn bad behavior even when committed by people I support. I just wish people would do the same on the opposing side. Thats called being honest. Honesty is the best policy and makes for the best arguement as evidence by climbhightree and I having some agreement. This I believe is the means by which this country will get back on track.
I haven't heard one conservative support what happened, with the violence, on January 6th.

I think both sides twist the truth...on these subjects I try to watch news programs that lean both ways. And I surely don't hate the individual, on either side, and wish their death or destruction by loss of job etc.
 

owScott

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Lafayette
OK. So how about the government officials supporting the blm roits and destruction (calling out for more) ...are you just as upset with them? Or is your only concern about the tragedies of the right?

Why is one OK and the other is wrong? I've said Jan 6th was wrong, repeatly. I don't support what they did, at all. I'm not being dishonest, I'm just saying that the protest was about more than the just election. The breaking in, and violence was wrong and illegal and they should be charged etc.
We are in agreement. Not sure what else the protest where about. You have stated allienation and not being heard, I addressed both. What else was it about? Also when you dont clearly condemn something it appears that you support it. Which you have clearly condemned it. Dont think there is much else here. Heading out, good day.
 

Frankie 1

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Then use proper language! There is nothing therapeutic with altering genes of another organism. Genetically engineered corn, soy beans, trees etc aren’t called gene therapies!
Do you have a clue what you are talking about?

Gene therapy is a medical field which focuses on the genetic modification of cells to produce a therapeutic effect[1] or the treatment of disease by repairing or reconstructing defective genetic material.[2] The first attempt at modifying human DNA was performed in 1980 by Martin Cline, but the first successful nuclear gene transfer in humans, approved by the National Institutes of Health, was performed in May 1989.[3]The first therapeutic use of gene transfer as well as the first direct insertion of human DNA into the nuclear genome was performed by French Anderson in a trial starting in September 1990. It is thought to be able to cure many genetic disorders or treat them over time.”



A ribonucleic acid (RNA) vaccine or messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine is a type of vaccine that uses a copy of a molecule called messenger RNA (mRNA) to produce an immune response.[1] The vaccine transfects molecules of synthetic RNA into immune cells, where the vaccine functions as mRNA, causing the cells to build foreign protein that would normally be produced by a pathogen (such as a virus) or by a cancer cell. These protein molecules stimulate an adaptive immune response which teaches the body to identify and destroy the corresponding pathogen or cancer cells.[1] The mRNA is delivered by a co-formulation of the RNA encapsulated in lipid nanoparticles which protect the RNA strands and help their absorption into the cells.[2][3]


mRNA in vitro transcription and innate immunity activation.
Reactogenicity, the tendency of a vaccine t o produce adverse reactions, is similar to that of conventional non-RNA vaccines.[4] People susceptible to an autoimmune response may have an adverse reaction to RNA vaccines.[4] The advantages of RNA vaccines over traditional vaccines are ease of design, speed and lower cost of production, the induction of both cellular and humoral immunity, and lack of interaction with the host's genomic DNA.[5][6] While some RNA vaccines, such as the Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, have the disadvantage of requiring ultracold storage before distribution,[1] other mRNA vaccines, such as the Moderna, CureVac, and Walvax COVID-19 vaccines, do not have such requirements.[7][8]
Again , some of these covid vaccines use messenger rna to “teach” your cells to make a “harmless spike protein”.The messenger rna used is man-made , synthetic , artificial. This messenger rna IS GENETIC MATERIAL so in that sense these vaccines are genetically-based therapy as opposed to a conventional vaccine which uses attenuated virus to provoke an immune response from the body.
 

rico

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OK. So how about the government officials supporting the blm roits and destruction (calling out for more) ...are you just as upset with them? Or is your only concern about the tragedies of the right?

Why is one OK and the other is wrong? I've said Jan 6th was wrong, repeatly. I don't support what they did, at all. I'm not being dishonest, I'm just saying that the protest was about more than the just election. The breaking in, and violence was wrong and illegal and they should be charged etc.
You have claimed that we do not know the intent of the Jan 6th protest. A blatant falsehood.
 

climbhightree

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We are in agreement. Not sure what else the protest where about. You have stated allienation and not being heard, I addressed both. What else was it about? Also when you dont clearly condemn something it appears that you support it. Which you have clearly condemned it. Dont think there is much else here. Heading out, good day.
The January 6th protest (not the riot of breaking in etc), and other rallies, was about liberty and freedom, capitalism vs socialism, small government vs big, about governors shutting down businesses etc.

Let me rephrase then. Most if not all conservatives that I know, or listen to, condemned the Jan 6th violence. Yet they are still condemned themselves by the left.
 

rico

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I haven't heard one conservative support what happened, with the violence, on January 6th

More unadulterated rubbish. Trump, the undisputed leader of the Republican/conservative party has publically sided with the Jan 6th rioters

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation...darity-with-rioters-arrested-in-jan-6-attack/

Thanks to Trump staffers and other Republicans/conservative organizations this nation will see multiple rallys supporting the Jan 6th rioters this weekend.

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-capitol-siege-d2fb23af3f01387412a1a00b4eac531c

https://www.fox46.com/news/local-ne...anuary-6-justice-rally-planned-for-charlotte/

https://patch.com/florida/miami/fl-justice-j6-rally-supporting-jan-6-capitol-rioters-set

We also have plenty of evidence that many federally elected republican officials helped to fan the flames of the Big Lie (both before and after the violent rioters stormed our capitoal building and attempted to change the outcome of the 2020 election). This is also after Team Trump lost some 63 court case, and his own lawyers had to admit in multiple courts of law that they didn’t actually have any actual evidence of large scale of voter fraud.

https://www.vox.com/2021/1/6/22218058/republicans-objections-election-results

Some even went to far as to incite violence.

https://www.al.com/news/2021/07/mo-...m-donald-trump-kiss-ass-speech-distorted.html
 
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Dan Cobb

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Again , some of these covid vaccines use messenger rna to “teach” your cells to make a “harmless spike protein”.The messenger rna used is man-made , synthetic , artificial. This messenger rna IS GENETIC MATERIAL so in that sense these vaccines are genetically-based therapy as opposed to a conventional vaccine which uses attenuated virus to provoke an immune response from the body.
So what's your point? We should care about the mechanisms by which safe and effective vaccines work? You prefer being injected with attenuated live virus?
 

Frankie 1

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This isn’t about health and safety anymore... it’s about control and compliance. You comply believing it will end but it never ends because you comply. It’s a vicious circle, a double-bind, lose lose situation that the complying,boot-licking jackasses that collectively parrot “oh that’s crazy-talk,it’s conspiracy theory, Maybe in Australia but it’ll never happen here” have placed us all in. They actually beg for their own enslavement by supporting these idiotic vaccine mandates that have nothing to do with actual science and fail even the most basic cost/benefit , logical , common sense analysis. Example : Whether you are pro/con mandated vaxx Why would you mandate a vaxx that was produced/given 16 months ago for a viral strain that most likely does not even exist today, and whose efficacy is waning according to the very same folk mandating it! Makes absolutely NO sense. They are gonna piss/off the truckers in this country with the bullshit and when they walk people are gonna learn what communism is .... real quick
 
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