Top 10 Knots for Scouts etc.

jmcscrap

Participating member
Location
Woodbury, MN
Bowline, Running Bowline, Double fisherman's, Clove Hitch, Alpine Butterfly, Figure 8, Trucker's hitch, Prussik, Monkey fist, Girth hitch.
 
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Bowline, Running Bowline, Double fisherman's, Clove Hitch, Alpine Butterfly, Figure 8, Trucker's hitch, Prussik, Monkey fist, Girth hitch.

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I agree with most, but I would change monkey fist to a bullet because it is easier to tie. I would also add a half hitch.
 
Bowline, Clove hitch, Sheet bend, square knot,half hitch(two half hitches, Tautline, Alpine butterfly, Double fisherman's, trucker's hitch, and throwing knot.
 
Location
NJ
hmmm would have to say that the knots used would or should be useful to a camper more so then a treeman. with that I'd say knots like the: The Strangle-Snare, The (Flemish) Eight, a true Monkey fist and not that bullet that we call a monkey fist, The Bowline, Double Figure-of-eight loop, The Bowstring Knot, The Butterfly or Lineman's Loop, Prusik, The Artillery Loop, The Cow Hitch
 
Square knot, figure 8, bowline, sheet bend, slip not, taut line hitch, timber hitch, half hitch, double fisherman's. Scout's is where I learned to tie all these at one time.
 
From Pioneering Merit Badge: square knot, bowline, sheepshank, sheet bend, and roundturn with two half hitches

From Climbing Merit Badge: Figure eight on a bight, Figure eight follow-through, Water knot, Double fisherman's knot, (grapevine knot), Safety knot

From Tenderfoot: two half hitches and the taut-line hitch

From First Class: timber hitch, clove hitch, bowline knot
 

TheTreeSpyder

Participating member
Location
Florida>>> USA
What purposes should these holy 10 cover?

Fixed Eye, shrinking eye /noose, power (truckers), mending/binding/anchoring closure, fishing, friction hitch, midline eye, stopper, bending lines together, quick release, throwing knot, water/beer for flat line (or tubing?), dbl. slipped square for shoes?, rescue seat?
 
Location
NJ
I would think you'd want them to be able to make a trap for food, lock off tent ropes or a safty line, make a weight for water or ice rescue, and maybe for rope rescue.
 
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...The Bowstring Knot...The Artillery Loop...

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Mahk, you have Ashley's BoK, which has these names in the Index.

... And then you could transfer your '???????' to just the cited
URLink for it, as what is shown there is NOT the Bowstring knot
as Ashley (et al.) have it, but a ganging knot used by fishermen.

Incidentally, one can finish Ashley's "Bowstring/Honda" knot
like a Bowline (i.e., rabbit continues around tree and back
into the hole) for a nice compact eyeknot, reasonably easily
untied, and more secure untensioned than a Bowline.

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As for "Fig.8" & "Double Fisherman's" & "Slip-knot" above, one
can also wonder which denoted knots are intended. --an eyeknot,
an ends-joint, & a stopper, or ... ?!

And Scouts need to know the Butterfly?
(better than the Sheepshank, but ... :eek:)

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FYI, testing done on new yacht/boating ropes (nylon & polyester
dbl.braids--yes, Sta-Set) found that a RoundTurn & 2HHitches
did not hold to rupture, but slipped out with maximum force
around 50% (which is likely the same as holding for most
applications) ! A Clove & 2HHs did hold. --around a 2" or
so diameter metal pin, IIRC.
(Actually, in nylon the peak pre-slippage load was 48%,
and in Sta-Set/PES it was 63%, equal to Clove+2HH's break.)

*kN*
 
Location
NJ
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... And then you could transfer your '???????' to just the cited
URLink for it, as what is shown there is NOT the Bowstring knot
as Ashley (et al.) have it, but a ganging knot used by fishermen.

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Here is yet 3 more links for ya of the BOWSTRING KNOT.

http://www.hudson-family.net/knots/knots.html#bowstring
http://www.realknots.com/knots/sloops.htm#bowstring
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Bow-string#cite_ref-2 (about half way down the page)

If you'd like to belive that a cowpunching larait knot (Honda) is the Bowstring well ... the line starts with Ashley.
 
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Here is yet 3 more links for ya of the BOWSTRING KNOT.
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If you'd like to belive that a cowpunching larait knot (Honda) is the Bowstring well ... the line starts with Ashley.

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Who has deservedly a good deal more credibility than most others
who have put out knots books. With knot names, YMMV, of course.
"Thumb Bowline" e.g. is what Barnes attaches to what you
have found called "bow string".

*kN*
 
Location
NJ
Ok pissing match over. But, I'll belive a Nation Master Encyclopeida that the Chinese tied said knot, and not the cattle drives larait knot.
 
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Ok pissing match over. But, I'll belive a Nation Master Encyclopeida that the Chinese tied said knot, and not the cattle drives larait knot.

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I was going to let that rest, but since you brought it up,
it surprised me that in you URLinks was this other knot
--one that the often hilarious <u>Encyclopedia of Knots &amp;
Fancy Ropework (4th ed.)</u>
has as of Turkish origin ("Chinese"
isn't mentioned in the NME, but "Asian"--we might presume
that knowlegde &amp; goods moved with traders on the Silk Road--;
the cited reference is re Turkish archery, I see); Ashley
merely says "Orient".
<u>EKFR</u> is"hilarious" here, too, in that they muse:
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Incidentally, the remarkable distance the ancient Turks were
capable of shooting an arrow has never been equaled, probably
because the unusual method of using this knot apparently has
been forgotten.
[!! :-]

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nonsense, so I can only recommend it as mostly for amusement
and otherwise just a fact of occurrence for the odd knot in its
surfacing over time into print.
(The authors don't even plagiarize well.)

This on-line "Encyclopedia", some offshoot from Wikipedia,
is new to me. I know that a certain concerned &amp; savvy fellow
has taken to doing a fair bit of cleaning up the knots information
for Wiki's entries, such as one can, so this reference should
benefit further from that.

And, back to the Honda Knot (let that be our unambiguous name):
untie its stopper, and continue with it "around the tree and
back down the hole" a la bowline, and you have a nice eyeknot,
too.

*kN*
 
Location
STL, MO
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From Pioneering Merit Badge: square knot, bowline, sheepshank, sheet bend, and roundturn with two half hitches

From Climbing Merit Badge: Figure eight on a bight, Figure eight follow-through, Water knot, Double fisherman's knot, (grapevine knot), Safety knot

From Tenderfoot: two half hitches and the taut-line hitch

From First Class: timber hitch, clove hitch, bowline knot

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Yeah, I'd go for something like this idea, except drop the obsolete sheepshank and add the trucker's hitch.
 

TheTreeSpyder

Participating member
Location
Florida>>> USA
i kinda don't like the prescription of making that bowstring by making a noose, becasue it is more of a backwierdz noose(whereby if used alone it would come out without stopper.
 

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