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KTSmith

Branched out member
Exactly Evo. My idealized concept of myself includes a generous spirit of social cooperation, inclusivity, and kindness. No, that self concept does not include the intentional or careless castigation or ridicule of entire groups of people. Sure, I've never meant to disparage anyone when I use a commonly accepted name for a pest. My conscience is clear on that.
But now that I know it is offensive....which I should have known for a long time, isn't it up to me to try to live up to my own ideal of myself? No, this is not political correctness but simple courtesy and good citizenship.
 

Dan Cobb

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Location
Hoover
Years ago, a corporate training instructor shared that he had a woman in one of his classes that, privately, asked if he would stop referring to the "flip chart," as she was Filipino and "flip" is a derogatory term for her nationality.

Sometimes, you may not have a clue.
 

evo

Been here a while
Location
My Island, WA
Years ago, a corporate training instructor shared that he had a woman in one of his classes that, privately, asked if he would stop referring to the "flip chart," as she was Filipino and "flip" is a derogatory term for her nationality.

Sometimes, you may not have a clue.
Good that she spoke up. I know the term used in both ways. But I’ve assumed it’s a verb and a noun. Flipping the pages of a book, or a chart that you flip can be called a flip chart?! Spanish has a few of these dual words as well
 

KTSmith

Branched out member
Ha, yes, Al Shigo objected strongly to voicing the "i" in "arboriculture" and he'd use the example of "parliament". Back in '82 or '83, I foolishly spent too much time with the Oxford English Dictionary to identify the sources of spelling and pronounciation of those words and prepared a written brief for Shigo as to whether or not that was a fair comparison. And of course the liberally educated folks out there recognize some role of the rules of combining terms in Latin for the former and of Anglo-Norman influences in verb construction for the latter. Shigo thanked me and never mentioned that written analysis again. However, pretty much everything he wrote for other people to read he first sent my way. Again, not that he always (or usually) followed my suggestions!
But of course, the English language is a living thing and continues to change, particularly in matters of pronunciation, e.g., "nuclear" pronounced as "nuculer". I'm not passing judgement here! It's up to us to find what's useful to insist on and what to let pass by!
 

ATH

Been here a while
Location
Ohio
Most people I know leave out the "i"... but also from northern Ohio, so not much surprise.
 

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