this is what happens when you tip tie a large vertical limb

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  1. GsTreesGirl9026

    GsTreesGirl9026 New Member

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    ugh, made me nervous just watching. Needs to go be a grounder for a while until he learns how to properly do things. I'm not saying things can't happen to even the most experienced climbers, but he's just to careless...
     
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    Do you think that careless errors like this make up are large percentage of deaths in this industry?
     
  3. Daniel

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    That's a good question. We might want to start by asking was this a careless error? He had only been climbing a year. My guess is he didn't know any better. I would say that for the experienced guys , yes , careless errors make up the majority of accidents. though that could be wrong. Probably a lot of guys out there with plenty of experience that have been using unsafe techniques the whole time.
     
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    Found out at the Waco, Tx ISA convention this week that "struck-by's" have surpassed electrical contact as the #1 cause of injury/death of both climbers and spectators.
     
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    does that mean there are more struck by's or less electrocution or both???

    I would guess with all the internet trained tree guys out there these days , safety is taking a big hit
     
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    Been that way for a while, I believe.

    Something about electrical education, and knowledge of safe/ unsafe work habits has brought it down.

    Not to say struck-by incidences have gone up, down, or remained steady.
     
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    Struck bys meaning that climbers are becoming more careless or less educated climbers are taking on jobs they shouldn't. At the conference they told of a few stories where clients or neighbors who just wanted to see what was going on up close were killed. One in case of a large removal the crews set up the boundaries about 150' away from the 100' tree, not the required 2x the tree height. When the tree hit the ground a piece the size of a football flew out and hit a guy right between the eyes killing him instantly. These stories scare the sh*t out of me.
     
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    I don't think it's a good idea to base policies on sensational, freakish events. That sounds pretty freakish.
     
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    Somehow, customers can't realize that they shouldn't be pal-ing around with groundies. Groundies should be focused on the job at hand. A bigger work zone is safer than a smaller one.
     
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    I'm only the messenger. 2) Drop zone standards are twice the height of the tree. If their safe zone was setup correctly then it would have a been "freak" accident. Now they have to live the rest of their lives wondering what would have happened if they had followed the right safety protocols.
     
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    Angular size shrinks fast with distance.
     
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    Hmmm... maybe I'm just getting taller.
     
  13. Levi.CO

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    Good discussion here, but i disagree with the assertion of the title. Many things can happen when you tip tie a large vertical limb, this is just one of those possibilities. I hope that the Human dude is healing well. Obviously the guy serves a great purpose, to survive these incidents.
     
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  14. Daniel

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    fair enough... maybe it shoudl be changed to:
    this is what CAN happen"
     
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    I remember that you liked this vid, Murphy. It shows tip tying gone right, in my opinion.

     
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    Nice work . A good groundie is sure worth their weight in gold, don't cha' think?
     
  17. Levi.CO

    Levi.CO Well-Known Member

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    Oh, most definitely, especially because I am the grounder in this vid (if that was not obvious).:) Climbing, rigging and cutting compliments of my brother. :tanguero:
     
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    Cool. My compliments to both you and your Bro. You guys work good together..
     
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    Thanks! We mostly have a good time, sometimes when I watch those old vids I miss doing the removals, but the thought of clean up and haul off kills the nostalgia quick.
     
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    Kinda like a hangover....:D
     
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