[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] It should be remembered that the itcc is an athletic event and not meant to represent innovation or different work practices. It is like bike racing which has very strict rules regarding bike construction. This helps decide who is the most fit, flexible, fastest climber. [/ QUOTE ] An excellent point, Kevin. One that is often forgotten or lost in the hullabaloo. Although my experience with ITCC has shown me not a "strictness" per say, but more of a tendency to be overly cautious because it is just an "athletic even" as you so aptly described. Tony [/ QUOTE ] Kevin and Tony, I hear what you guys are saying on this one, but this was never the way that it was supposed to be. The original ISA Jamboree, which Don Blair and others helped to get started decades ago, was supposed to represent a climber’s innovation and willingness to present new work practices. Somewhere along the line, when the Jamboree morphed into the ITCC, the “spirit” of the events was lost. Sad if you ask me.