[ QUOTE ] Let's face it, when it comes to advancements, innovations, or improvements, we on this forum are the guinea pigs of the industry. We hear about it first, we buy things the minute they hit the shelves (or sooner), and then we expect the rest of the industry to be on board? The overwhelming majority of TCC's are ISA sanctioned, they have a vested interest in making sure that the systems allowed in THEIR comps are tried and true over time. After all it is their name and insurance on the line. I love the fact that we as a community are pushing techniques further and and further but, I also am willing to recognize that the internet has allowed for a boom in the sharing of ideas which in my opinion should be absorbed slowly. We as a community are the ones who say "slow and low" aren't we. [/ QUOTE ] I totally hear what you're saying, Banjo, and I agree...until I think about how many people have (and probably will) get hurt, or worse, while using tried and true systems. You're right, though, and when I think think of the RW, I do so with a great deal of experience, but when I sit back and think about how incredibly big the tree worker industry/rec. climbing world is, I could hazard a guess that MAYBE 25% of those involved MIGHT know what a rope wrench is.