Hitch Hiker in Comps

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  1. bonner1040

    bonner1040 Well-Known Member

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    Will the Hitch Hiker and its associated SRWP be allowed in TCC's this year?
     
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    I don't know for sure, Nick so take it with a grain of salt...I just want to be in on any news just like you (and many others, I'm sure).

    From what I understand, SRWP as a concept will be addressed, and potentially allowed (POTENTIALLY). If SRWP is accepted, then provisions would be put in place and a climber's system would need to comply and pass gear inspection.

    ...and potentially...if the HH passed the criteria, it would be allowed. I'm not too sure that individual parts are specifically allowed or not.

    Also, (from what I hear) each Chapter can set its' own rules based on the ITCC Rule Book, but the rules and gear inspection at an ITCC are adhered to in a much more stringent manner.
     
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    Hey Eric,

    You might want to talk with a few of the Kentucky climbers about that last bit on Chapters setting their own rules....

    We damn near got sanctioned as a Chapter this year and had our Rep to ITCC disqualified due tot the fact that the KY Chapter allowed SRWP.....that is until wiser (and I do mean FAR FREAKING WISER) heads prevailed.

    ***** for the record KY DID NOT use ISA insurance for this comp, which to date has been the one guideline in place forcing Chapters to abide by the ITCC rule book *****

    I'm sure the KY Rep could give you more details if you asked him....
     
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    I will be REALLY interested to see what the criteria will be for allowing certain SRWP tools over others....
     
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    Like I said, Rich..."I heard"...I was unsure about even writing that in the post.

    I'll just go ahead and insert my foot... [​IMG]

    Well, the 'Wrenchin' video' shows a gentleman holding up little red book and making a certain statement...

    I'm just hoping for wider acceptance of SRWP, that's all. I'm not about specific gear or anything, just the concept as a whole. [​IMG]
     
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    We both want the same thing Eric ! Wider SRWP acceptance in its many and varied forms coupled with the already accepted Doubled Rope Techniques would make for a far safer and happier world !!
     
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    We both want the same thing Eric ! Wider SRWP acceptance in its many and varied forms coupled with the already accepted Doubled Rope Techniques would make for a far safer and happier world !!

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    x2!

    I'll be trying to keep up with this while I'm working today. I'm curious about the issues you all experienced after the K-Comp...was the "news" put out in a thread here or published anywhere else? (I haven't spent much time in the comp threads here) I'd like to understand what transpired through that process...not to pry, just to understand.
     
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    We both want the same thing Eric ! Wider SRWP acceptance in its many and varied forms coupled with the already accepted Doubled Rope Techniques would make for a far safer and happier world !!

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    x3

    Rope Wrench Mania!
     
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    In Kentucky, was it SRWP or the method that SRWP was used? I know at last years ITCC you could use SRWP if you used the rig, but not any other tool.
     
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    In order to be equitable the criteria for a climbing system shouldn't be any different for SRT or DdRT..or whatever comes down the pike.

    Will every hitch/cord/rope combination have to pass the same criteria as any of the varied SRT tools?
     
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    In Kentucky, was it SRWP or the method that SRWP was used? I know at last years ITCC you could use SRWP if you used the rig, but not any other tool.

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    Do you know what the rule was for basal anchor or base-tie?
     
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    In order to be equitable the criteria for a climbing system shouldn't be any different for SRT or DdRT..or whatever comes down the pike.

    Will every hitch/cord/rope combination have to pass the same criteria as any of the varied SRT tools?

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    It's a good point. Essentially, DdRT climbing is still relying on a single hitch for life support, and the climber is still using a single piece of rope.
     
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    If I showed up to compete using DdRT and a Unicender, or another, would I be able to compete?
     
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    If I showed up to compete using DdRT and a Unicender, or another, would I be able to compete?

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    Or climbing in DdRT with a Rope Wrench above the hitch?
     
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    If I showed up to compete using DdRT and a Unicender, or another, would I be able to compete?

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    Or climbing in DdRT with a Rope Wrench above the hitch?

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    Cormac Nagan did it at the 2012 ITCC during AR so I'd say yes.
     
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    Or climbing in DdRT with a Rope Wrench above the hitch?

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    Why?

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    My understanding is that the RW has not been allowed do to the grey area in regards to it being life support.

    The Hitch Hiker however was tested by Yale in various configurations and setups set forth by the ISA. It has a listed MBS of 40kn, and is designed and sold as a piece of dedicated SRWP life support equipment.

    Are there specific provisions against base ties? Or using a single line in general? I read that the issue is equipment oriented. The Petzl ID is allowed yes? Because it was designed/tested/produced for SRWP, isnt the HH in the same boat?
     
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    Or climbing in DdRT with a Rope Wrench above the hitch?

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    Why?

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    In the case of the AR application it was so both climber and "victim" could be lowered on the climbers system.
     
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    There are some base tie limitations, for example the gri gri is no longer acceptable.
     
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    But a running bowline with a yosemete and double fishermans backup?
     

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