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Hinge Pocket Pressure Rig
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TheTreeSpyder
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The forces i think are trapped in a closed, tight system like this (with line super tight); so that any movement or pressure is immediately and intensely converted into support and steering. The force of this is metered, by the force of the load itself, as that is it's power to run through the machine of the chosen rig.
So here we press downward, to empower a leveraged line even more; i know i am going sideways, the line is too tight to permit me to go down, still i bluff down and load the line, untill it says "Oh no you don't......" and takes the load to the target i intended; while running that force through as many multipliers as possible, then setting agaijnst the oad itslef; so that longer/heavier works better/more positive, as it has more force on my side! The length and the wieght are no longer an increasing problem (within proper ranges) as now we set them against themselves, to aid support and steering.
One of the ways is to not only use the line tension for leveraged support vertically (over) some hotizontally (over and to side) some along the length for 3 dimensions of line support possible in the calculation.
Perform machine with no play in the system, so that the equal and opposite promise of Nature is captured, not wasted.
Or, something like that
So here we press downward, to empower a leveraged line even more; i know i am going sideways, the line is too tight to permit me to go down, still i bluff down and load the line, untill it says "Oh no you don't......" and takes the load to the target i intended; while running that force through as many multipliers as possible, then setting agaijnst the oad itslef; so that longer/heavier works better/more positive, as it has more force on my side! The length and the wieght are no longer an increasing problem (within proper ranges) as now we set them against themselves, to aid support and steering.
One of the ways is to not only use the line tension for leveraged support vertically (over) some hotizontally (over and to side) some along the length for 3 dimensions of line support possible in the calculation.
Perform machine with no play in the system, so that the equal and opposite promise of Nature is captured, not wasted.
Or, something like that
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More on indirect force can be just a leveraged arc to target, whether in line pull or even pull with jsut weight of load.
How the position behind hinge as support also gives a good turret position of support to give an even amount of support through a sweep in comparison to other support positioning strategies.
Like a martial artist, set the force against itself, and let it self regulate it's needs; setting line so restrictively tight, that any motion or loading directly, intensely applys leverage to task, that in facts powers it. Another closed rig that like DdRT 2/1, Mayhem etc., that almost magic alterations seem to happen to forces, but really, they just are an example of how closely Nature follows the rules of Physics; even in the harder to visualize closed systems of turning load force postion to actually helping the system. Set it logically, but let system crunch math in the equal and opposite reaction response. If we need to just match force to float; and Nature gives an equal and opposite reaction, try to tap that equal and opposite to match the load force. Like a puzzle/maze; a path to be found ribboned down a gauntlet of options to the most powerful strategy to task.
Or, something like that!
How the position behind hinge as support also gives a good turret position of support to give an even amount of support through a sweep in comparison to other support positioning strategies.
Like a martial artist, set the force against itself, and let it self regulate it's needs; setting line so restrictively tight, that any motion or loading directly, intensely applys leverage to task, that in facts powers it. Another closed rig that like DdRT 2/1, Mayhem etc., that almost magic alterations seem to happen to forces, but really, they just are an example of how closely Nature follows the rules of Physics; even in the harder to visualize closed systems of turning load force postion to actually helping the system. Set it logically, but let system crunch math in the equal and opposite reaction response. If we need to just match force to float; and Nature gives an equal and opposite reaction, try to tap that equal and opposite to match the load force. Like a puzzle/maze; a path to be found ribboned down a gauntlet of options to the most powerful strategy to task.
Or, something like that!
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KC,
Your drawings are the best! I would love to work with you for one day to watch you apply these concepts and see the outcome first hand.
Your drawings are the best! I would love to work with you for one day to watch you apply these concepts and see the outcome first hand.
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what?
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Well, Thanx Mark; i'd prolly move too slow fer ya; but then try to make up for it once position is arrived to...
Sometimes it seems like an orchestration of events, that you draw together, this piec polished, this element sprinkled on etc. to add up to support. But when it comes together real right; handling something large like it was light; it kinda has a grace of it's own; your eye can tell, especially as the forces here are pitted against them own selves barely equating itself!
One of the key things to remember (i think); is that if a force can alter a rig, then the variable for that force is in every rig, even if generally zero. Whereby, if the support angle of the line back into the hinge is a operating element of this rig, it is something to be paid attention to in all rigs. Even if line angle doesn't pull into hinge pocket for longer hold, or away from hinge pocket for quicker tearoff, or just set neutrally with no line angle tension in or out of the hinge; it all has a place in the formulae of every rig, something to be considered before cutting.
Here, in this "Hinge Pocket Pressure Rig" (or by any other name...); this quanity of this angle is just tuned up to such a high quanity as to give full support in the formulae and event. The pressure in the pocket as a force is now inflated to the point where we can see it, magnified to full support of load! But even as the effect and force drop below the full support power, the angle pulling into hinge is still helping some to keep load supported. Just more other factors have to help to add up to the same quanity of support for the same work; in trade for backing off the pocket pressure. Just as if support line angle was pulling away from hinge, even slightly, hinge's support is reduced, and hinge will tear off sooner. The quanity has an effect, a place in all rigging considerations i would think.
Also, watch those closed systems DdRT, Mayhem, this etc. that things kinda get confusing compared to the 'open' systems; but going by these examples seem to offer more self containted mechanics, turned on itself to giving surprising force, better help (but i'm sure that can be turned around/ against us in some patterns).
Mr. Teti, not enough question, and too much avatar; for me to respond well!
Sometimes it seems like an orchestration of events, that you draw together, this piec polished, this element sprinkled on etc. to add up to support. But when it comes together real right; handling something large like it was light; it kinda has a grace of it's own; your eye can tell, especially as the forces here are pitted against them own selves barely equating itself!
One of the key things to remember (i think); is that if a force can alter a rig, then the variable for that force is in every rig, even if generally zero. Whereby, if the support angle of the line back into the hinge is a operating element of this rig, it is something to be paid attention to in all rigs. Even if line angle doesn't pull into hinge pocket for longer hold, or away from hinge pocket for quicker tearoff, or just set neutrally with no line angle tension in or out of the hinge; it all has a place in the formulae of every rig, something to be considered before cutting.
Here, in this "Hinge Pocket Pressure Rig" (or by any other name...); this quanity of this angle is just tuned up to such a high quanity as to give full support in the formulae and event. The pressure in the pocket as a force is now inflated to the point where we can see it, magnified to full support of load! But even as the effect and force drop below the full support power, the angle pulling into hinge is still helping some to keep load supported. Just more other factors have to help to add up to the same quanity of support for the same work; in trade for backing off the pocket pressure. Just as if support line angle was pulling away from hinge, even slightly, hinge's support is reduced, and hinge will tear off sooner. The quanity has an effect, a place in all rigging considerations i would think.
Also, watch those closed systems DdRT, Mayhem, this etc. that things kinda get confusing compared to the 'open' systems; but going by these examples seem to offer more self containted mechanics, turned on itself to giving surprising force, better help (but i'm sure that can be turned around/ against us in some patterns).
Mr. Teti, not enough question, and too much avatar; for me to respond well!
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what??
TheTreeSpyder
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i said, and wrote you privately that i didn't think that junk was conducive to proper atmosphere for thought etc. i guess i'm going to find myself to have more free time than usual.
Thanx,
-KC
Thanx,
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Ken;
In this (your first)attachment the rope is tied beyond the balance point of the limb (presumably with a half hitch) and is then tied farther out on the limb. I would think that you would want to make the second knot farther in on the limb (closer to the trunk). The fulcrum would still be the half hitch, and the second knot (running bowline?) would be on a larger, stronger part of the limb.
Mahk
In this (your first)attachment the rope is tied beyond the balance point of the limb (presumably with a half hitch) and is then tied farther out on the limb. I would think that you would want to make the second knot farther in on the limb (closer to the trunk). The fulcrum would still be the half hitch, and the second knot (running bowline?) would be on a larger, stronger part of the limb.
Mahk
