Fusion gear quality?

#1
What are your thoughts on Fusion gear that is sold on like Amazon? I see they have pulleys, carabiners, snap hooks, etc... There's a lot of that type of gear on there from manufacturers I've never heard of. They are much less expensive and still have good Kn ratings.

Is this stuff junk or not?

Here are a couple examples:
Snap hook:
https://www.amazon.com/Fusion-Climb..._rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=NTTCSY53QGT71CBQX5R6

Pulley:
https://www.amazon.com/Fusion-Climb..._rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=PFZDPDWRKDKB20CYKEGQ

Ascender:
https://www.amazon.com/Fusion-Climb...id=1541883911&sr=1-1&keywords=fusion+ascender

Carabiner:
https://www.amazon.com/Fusion-Climb...4003&sr=1-3&keywords=fusion+locking+carabiner
 
#2
It's junk.
I understand at one time they were blacklisted by UIAA for marking carabiners as UIAA certified when they did not have the certification. That's incredibly shady.

I'd like to see NoBivy break test some of their current stuff. Maybe they've improved their stuff, but hard to get past the reputation. I believe they are not blacklisted any longer and hold their UIAA cert now.
 
#4
It's junk.
I understand at one time they were blacklisted by UIAA for marking carabiners as UIAA certified when they did not have the certification. That's incredibly shady.

I'd like to see NoBivy break test some of their current stuff. Maybe they've improved their stuff, but hard to get past the reputation. I believe they are not blacklisted any longer and hold their UIAA cert now.
That was Xinda if I recall correctly, not Fusion. I’m not sure what Fusion’s standing is.

@op if you’re in a pinch for personal stuff (like hanging a hammock) or using it to hold a pruning handsaw, go for it.

For anything work related I would steer clear in any load-bearing situations. Just don’t do it

If you’re looking for cheap carabiners order European branded ones off honeybros

ISC Triple-locking biner for £10.95, something like $13 USD ? If your order is under £100 you may not have to pay duty
shipping to Canada was £20 for a £600 order for me. Very affordable

ISC Oval 3-way carabiner
 
#6
What he said..
I just recently did a $500+ order through Honey Bros..

Even after their british pound costing me more in the exchange, pay pal charging a exchange fee, & $50 in shipping, i still saved about a hundred bucks over purchasing here stateside.. This was Without a discount code too. Products all arrived here on the east coast within a week.

It's really weird though.. not everything is cheaper if it is made there though, however some of the some items are $100+ difference.. like a DMM Hook kit.. Zig Zag, or DMM rings for 10-12 bucks.. etc.. What's even more crazy was that i saw them selling a couple Notch items for less than the US vendors..

If you wanna buy biners here in the USA, CampSaver, Moosejaw, usually has good deals on brands like Mad Rock, Camp Saftey, Petzl.. Also.. as far as i know, you don't have to buy the high high priced Petzl, DMM, Rock Exotica biners to get a quality product.. but you also don't have to buy the Fusion stuff either to get a decent deal. I associate Fusion with China Junk.. Same with GM Climbing & Zinda or whatever it's called. Basically if i can't find a site for it that looks legit & actually works, i associate it with China... & Odd enough I actually avoid Amazon for All climbing/rigging related stuff as even though the Sherrill & Wespur products may be on there, your paying full retail.

There's always a deal somewhere.. & then there's price matching most businesses don't want to lose a sale to.

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#7
That was Xinda if I recall correctly, not Fusion. I’m not sure what Fusion’s standing is.
They've both been on the blacklist. Fusion is in good standing now I think. Still wouldn't buy.

You could get that micro pulley as a slack tender if you wanted. There's better options though for like 15$ more.

I'm surprised Fusion stuff is made in USA, apparently.

https://m.facebook.com/FusionClimbUSA/about
 
#8
They've both been on the blacklist. Fusion is in good standing now I think. Still wouldn't buy.

You could get that micro pulley as a slack tender if you wanted. There's better options though for like 15$ more.

I'm surprised Fusion stuff is made in USA, apparently.

https://m.facebook.com/FusionClimbUSA/about
A somewhat misleading statement. Here’s the fuller version from their own website:
Our belts and harnesses are made right here in California, and our hardware parts are from Taiwan, UK, or Canada.
Source: fusion climb
 
#11
My thoughts exactly. The website doesn’t exactly scream high quality either.

Has anyone done some 3rd unpaid break testing on this stuff ?

In the meantime, stick to name brands for life support applications
The Chino locale a dead giveaway. I'm sure it's coming from China to a port in Cali and then they "assemble" it or sow a strap around it, or whatever, and say stupid shit like what everyone is saying these days to hide the fact that it just isn't made here.
 
#12
Thanks for all your input everyone, I've never heard of Fusion before and thought it might be too good to be true. I hadn't thought of buying from a place like Honey Bros. I've never ordered anything where I had to do currency conversions.
I'll have to check them out.
 
#14
Is there an easier way to figure out how much it costs in US dollars then just googling it? Not that it's super difficult but maybe there's a setting or something on their site I didn't see or something...
 
#16
Is there an easier way to figure out how much it costs in US dollars then just googling it? Not that it's super difficult but maybe there's a setting or something on their site I didn't see or something...
Foreign companies dictate the price in their currency usually, and I use Paypal and the rate that they decide for currency conversions.
 
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