Flipline failure

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So there is another flipline failure going around on Facebook. Same issues, same cheap crimped steel core flipline. Seems that the climber is lacking in some unsafe work practices, but it shouldn’t have happened regardless.
Wasn’t there a petition of some sorts to the manufacturer a while back? I have heard of about 3-6 of these failures within the past few years, injury’s seen rare, and deaths have occurred.
Anyone point me into the thread, I am not to savvy with the search feature on the buzz.
https://m.facebook.com/TheCostaRanc...217&__tn__=EH-R&cached_data=false&ftid=&mdf=1
 
Can't access facebook. Any other method of viewing info?

The one flipline I remember hearing of being a big issue and seeing pictures was an all orange rope cover, copper swage. And to improve the chances of electrolysis working against your safety the swage was covered in black heat shrink which held moisture in.
 
I think this is what is going around on FB: 2 year old climb right broke behind the crimp where it is covered in heat shrink ?

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For steel core we exclusively run Yale Maxi Flip which are spliced not crimped like the cheap ones. Does anyone know the mfr's replacement interval on this brand? Thanks


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Thanks for getting that info up and visible here to hopefully save some other climber some unnecessary grief.

Regarding if there is unfortunately a sueable case here - I have always thought that if the last injury or fatality didn't have a specific manufacturer do a recall/widespread warning etc, they were leaving themselves wide open to a justifiable lawsuit.
 
Merle Nelson said:
Thanks for getting that info up and visible here to hopefully save some other climber some unnecessary grief.

Regarding if there is unfortunately a sueable case here - I have always thought that if the last injury or fatality didn't have a specific manufacturer do a recall/widespread warning etc, they were leaving themselves wide open to a justifiable lawsuit.
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How is there a case if the manufacturer specs are to replace every 6 months and this guy admits to having this lanyard for two years?
 
TreeVB said:
How is there a case if the manufacturer specs are to replace every 6 months and this guy admits to having this lanyard for two years?
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I wouldn’t know, as I’ve NEVER liked the looks of these fliplines and never have climbed with one. Somewhere in the FB thread this is brought up but they state 2 year service life. There is a ugly debate on the quality of the injured climber, his gear, lack of awareness, lack of ppe, dual tie ins, etc.. I’m not looking to rehash that.
The fact is this is a known problem, and this should be resolved by recall and changing the manufacturing process of these flip lines. At the very least, a notice such as BC’s should be distributed widely
 
TreeVB said:
How is there a case if the manufacturer specs are to replace every 6 months and this guy admits to having this lanyard for two years?
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This brings up a good point, - I don't know if there is a justifiable case or not. I don't follow that flip lines info or product line or web sight. I was sent one mistakenly one time after ordering a Yale Max 5/8. Upon receipt I set it aside and ordered some more Max's.

If I were an injured climber I would sure find out if there is a justifiable case.

1) I would keep flip line in its current condition.
2) I would have someone help me to research and interview a few of the top most aggressive personal injury lawyers.
3) I would research all past threads and web posts on this issue, particular company, etc etc (Including posts I've seen an Arbtalk.)
4) I would document who knew what when, and as a part of that what other climbers have been injured. Also if any notices have been widely published by mfg companies etc.

I in general do not believe in suing. However, there are times where it looks like the appropriate remedy for a bad situation.

And at some point I am responsible for my actions above and beyond in our society. One idiotic example to illustrate this is if I leave a damaged childs play structure up in a field I own. I could have put up signs saying it is faulty and not safe to climb, I could put up a motion activated verbal warning for kids who can't read - I would still be wide open to a lawsuit for an 'attractive nuisance.'
 
I like seeing the rope crimped/swagged in with the wire core. If you use your lanyard long enough to break the wire one strand at a time (which I once did) the rope still has plenty of strength to hold you.

I just wish they would do that with 5/8 inch wire core too. That would be all I would use.
 
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