Excellent Response

mrtree

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Erk Brudi has an excellent letter in the October issue of TCI magazine, in response to Dennis Ryan's pathetic cabling article in the July issue. As he explains cross-sectional area is important, not included bark, in the breaking of bifurcated trees. Please read this letter, it is the first time that I have seen the topic adequately explained in a couple of words.
 

Roger_Barnett

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Yep, saw that! Also, his partner Andreas Detter has a great article in the current Arborist News on new euro standards for dynamci cabling. I've met and talked with Andreas a couple times, most recently in Hawaii at the ISA conference.

That's not the first piece by Ryan I've seen that leaves much to be desired.
 

mrtree

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Too bad so many people want to defend Ryan. Ryan's article certainly is not of the quality that should be produced by somebody teaching at the college level. If there were more articles written by Detter and Brudi, and others of similar intellect, maybe the profession would improve as a whole. Detter and Brudi have in various places put together engineering information that will help us save trees, Ryan, well he does not like the look of cobra cable!
 

JesseHuffman

Active Member
Any chance someone could scan and post that article?
I didnt pay my ISA dues and no longer receive their literature.
 

guymayor

Well-Known Member
Tobe's was kind of funny.


Mahk the article was the script from his talk at expo last year. It is on page 42 here http://www.tcia.org/PDFs/TCI_MAG_Sep_07.pdf

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Too bad so many people want to defend Ryan.

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Count me in that number.
There was a lot of good information in his article.

I responded to clarify a typo--pge 22 here http://www.tcia.org/PDFs/TCI_MAG_Aug_07.pdf . I think it's ok to critique, but before slinging any adverse adjectives...how would they would feel coming back?


mr, when your next submission gets printed be sure to let us know ok? Anonymity is not a cloak, it's a burqa.
 

Mahk_Adams

Active Member
Just to clarify:


Ryan's article is on page 32 here (TCI, July, 2007):


http://www.tcia.org/PDFs/TCI_Mag_July_07.pdf



Guy posted the link to his own response to Ryan's article (TCI, August 2007, p. 22):


http://www.tcia.org/PDFs/TCI_MAG_Aug_07.pdf


I posted the link to Brudi's response to Ryan's article. There is also a response from Tobe Sherrill in this same issue (TCI, October 2007):


http://www.treecareindustry.org/PDFs/TCI_Mag_Oct_07.pdf



Guy also posted the link to Detter's article on the new German Standards (TCI September 2007, p. 42):



http://www.tcia.org/PDFs/TCI_MAG_Sep_07.pdf


There is also an article on the new German Standards in Arborist News, October 2007, p. 56. Sorry, it's not on the web
 

guymayor

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There is also an article on the new German Standards in Arborist News, October 2007, p. 56. Sorry, it's not on the web

[/ QUOTE ]And that is too bad. Good on TCI for posting their entire magazine on their website.

Actually the soap opera goes back to last December, with a ...not pathetic maybe, but not that good either, article on support systems. This elicited a letter from Dr. Ryan in Feb followed by my response in March I think.

I was gratified that the criticism was not as severe as it deserved.
Let he who is without goofups cast the first log.

Thanks Mark, see you soon!
 

guymayor

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Anonymity is not a cloak, it's a burqa.

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Thats very good, I might steal that one Guy


[/ QUOTE ]Hey go ahead sean; it's all free.
 

OTGBOSTON

New Member
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Too bad so many people want to defend Ryan. Ryan's article certainly is not of the quality that should be produced by somebody teaching at the college level. If there were more articles written by Detter and Brudi, and others of similar intellect, maybe the profession would improve as a whole. Detter and Brudi have in various places put together engineering information that will help us save trees, Ryan, well he does not like the look of cobra cable!

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I don't see too many people defending him here, so I'll take a stab at it.

your criticism is waaaay too harsh. I wonder if YOU could hold up to the same?

Dennis Ryan is responsible for educating many of the best Arborists in this country. You say "maybe the profession would improve as a whole" if those other guys wrote more articles. I'll tell you something, Dennis Ryan HAS improved this profession as a whole!
 

Stumper

Member
Dr. Ryan may be a great fellow but his article on cabling that is under critique was poorly presented and/or poorly reasoned.
 

Cyrus1254

New Member
Hey Guy

I have know Dr. Ryan a long, long time and he is a family friend so when you teach at a major university and like OTG said he has taught a ton of arborists who work for the company I work for. So before you dump all over him have some credentials in this industry !
 

mdvaden

Well-Known Member
I see that mrtree gave a partial reason or example in the beginning - which is good.

But if a thread is going to be based on a comparison, I'm surprised the not much more has been written by readers of the article, as to why the response was better, or why the article was insufficient.

Was the chasm between the article and the letter actually that small?
 

guymayor

Well-Known Member
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before you dump

[/ QUOTE ]wHOA cYRUS, you got the wrong guy; I never dumped on anybody. I only pointed out a typo, you are shooting the wrong messenger here!

Matio's right re the lack of substance.
 
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