2016 srtwp redirects

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  1. treebing

    treebing Well-Known Member

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    Throw line is no fun dangling for a release line if you plan on doing any cutting or moving. I dread even climbing while there is a throw line stuck or.something. and getting
     
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    Reep Schnur, almost as cheap as throw line...


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    Damn that's dedication. A climbing video while on the crapper. Thanks for not panning down on the video Richard.
     
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    What kind of bone was that?
     
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    Don't ask.
     
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    I'll look forward to that. I'm not against a remote release redirect but I'll also hold them to the same life support standard I would use on any anchor. That my be too much for many that would only amount to a small swing etc so I also acknowledge there is lots of judgment and latitude.
    I would ask myself if this would be satisfactory for a stand alone anchor. Does the orientation of the clove hitch effect it's security? How does it fail, rope strength, pull tests etc? What are possible errors in trying it? I look forward adding it to the tool box.
     
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    You can orient the clove wrong. When you go to release, it will pull only one loop off the clove, leaving a Half hitch which seems like you could climb on too because for the life of me I can't pull it out. With the clove hitch the right way you end up pulling off both parts of the clove.
     
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    Another thing I don't know, (among so many, I know) is what is the ultimate effect, strength, slip and security is when a knot is compromised with a pin or biner passing thru it.
     
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    I came up with a routine for tying the midline Clove Hitch it so it's tied and oriented properly every time.
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    On the paddlesticks I've making it's all good, the radiuses (radii?) around the pin are excellent. The Quickie or carbiner release on the Clove Hitch crossover is harmless, there is practically no rope bend there. The Clove Hitch doesn't seem to care that the release is there, it grabs hard. I did some tests slacking the line and partially releasing the Clove Hitch down the bight, it still grabbed hard when reloaded even though the hitch was opened up quite a bit. Not what I'd want to climb on but it was good to see the behavior. If the bight was made say 2 feet long you've got a lot of forgiveness for partially releasing and reloading the Clove Hitch. But again an SRT climber always has to be monitoring their redirects and overall system. Anytime I make a big move on a redirected rope I load it up and do a quick visual check back through, even if they're natural redirects, I like to see how the tree parts are behaving under load. With remote redirects and anchors I think it's mandatory to do that check, even if you can't see everything you're doing a quick load test to verify everything is solid before continuing. Not to over do it here but anytime a climber slacks their system no matter what they're climbing on they should load it up first before committing to their next move.
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    Do you think a revolver biner would ease the release, by torquing the clove knot open because of the nose shape at the sheave end, and rolling when pulled to release.
     
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    It could, the rolling action of the slic pin helps I think. I have done it sucessfully with just the rope though as well.
     
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    Again as I look at this from a life support perspective I have questions. If not, I find this brilliant and very useful in many situations.
    Appears the clove amounts to a two wrap prusik on the bight, which if pulled out releases the redirect.
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    Sorry I'm late to the party but how do you unhook the revolver from a distance to make this retrievable? Am I missing something?


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    You pull the bight to you and then unclip the revolver.
     
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    (Duh) I can easily see that now. Thanks brother. I like this redi a lot and seems easy to setup and retrieve compared to some of the others.


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    I've been there...It's like one of those optical illusions where you can only see it the one way, until you see what's really there and then it is so obvious. And yeah, this is a great redirect technique to have in your box o' tools.
    Like, look at these shiny legs!

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    or is it paint?:sorprendido3:
     
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  18. Kris Fugate

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    Is that the ART snake tail?


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    Any new ones being used since January?
     
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    Nothing new, here, but I finally got around to trying Richard's ring-and-accessory-biner that's not quite on a bight redirect... and I really like that one. Tried it with both an aluminum and a steel ring. I see why he went with the aluminum one. Steel one comes down a lot faster on a more horizontal rope, but if it's anywhere near vertical that puppy will hurt when it hits you.

    I'm talking about the one that allows you to use the full tail length. Don't know if he gave it a name, or not. Having the retrieval line on the end of the climbing rope (when needed) doesn't bother me. I put one on there for installing my canopy anchor, anyway, so leaving it on there if I think I'll need it is okay by me.

    It's a really slick redirect, using simple stuff everybody probably already has. Thanks, @yoyoman for another great trick!
     

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