2016 srtwp redirects

yoyoman

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... As usual the bleeding edge arbornauts will carefully test these things and report back. I'm fine with a separate pulldown.
-AJ
I'll look forward to that. I'm not against a remote release redirect but I'll also hold them to the same life support standard I would use on any anchor. That my be too much for many that would only amount to a small swing etc so I also acknowledge there is lots of judgment and latitude.
I would ask myself if this would be satisfactory for a stand alone anchor. Does the orientation of the clove hitch effect it's security? How does it fail, rope strength, pull tests etc? What are possible errors in trying it? I look forward adding it to the tool box.
 

treebing

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You can orient the clove wrong. When you go to release, it will pull only one loop off the clove, leaving a Half hitch which seems like you could climb on too because for the life of me I can't pull it out. With the clove hitch the right way you end up pulling off both parts of the clove.
 
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yoyoman

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Another thing I don't know, (among so many, I know) is what is the ultimate effect, strength, slip and security is when a knot is compromised with a pin or biner passing thru it.
 

moss

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You can orient the clove wrong. When you go to release, it will pull only one loop off the clove, leaving a Half hitch which seems like you could climb on too because for the life of me I can't pull it out. With the clove hitch the right way you end up pulling off both parts of the clove.
I came up with a routine for tying the midline Clove Hitch it so it's tied and oriented properly every time.
 
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moss

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Another thing I don't know, (among so many, I know) is what is the ultimate effect, strength, slip and security is when a knot is compromised with a pin or biner passing thru it.
On the paddlesticks I've making it's all good, the radiuses (radii?) around the pin are excellent. The Quickie or carbiner release on the Clove Hitch crossover is harmless, there is practically no rope bend there. The Clove Hitch doesn't seem to care that the release is there, it grabs hard. I did some tests slacking the line and partially releasing the Clove Hitch down the bight, it still grabbed hard when reloaded even though the hitch was opened up quite a bit. Not what I'd want to climb on but it was good to see the behavior. If the bight was made say 2 feet long you've got a lot of forgiveness for partially releasing and reloading the Clove Hitch. But again an SRT climber always has to be monitoring their redirects and overall system. Anytime I make a big move on a redirected rope I load it up and do a quick visual check back through, even if they're natural redirects, I like to see how the tree parts are behaving under load. With remote redirects and anchors I think it's mandatory to do that check, even if you can't see everything you're doing a quick load test to verify everything is solid before continuing. Not to over do it here but anytime a climber slacks their system no matter what they're climbing on they should load it up first before committing to their next move.
-AJ
 

yoyoman

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Again as I look at this from a life support perspective I have questions. If not, I find this brilliant and very useful in many situations.
Appears the clove amounts to a two wrap prusik on the bight, which if pulled out releases the redirect.
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Variation of the MultiSling Redirect (not sure who to credit for it, but not my invention)

A night of My Imori wouldn't fit through the ring on the MS, so I girth a large DMM anchor ring and a ultra O into a loop runner. Bight goes through the ring, revolver into the bight, tie tail of line onto revolver for retrieval. It retrieves like a dream and it's quick and easy to setup. Love it.
Sorry I'm late to the party but how do you unhook the revolver from a distance to make this retrievable? Am I missing something?


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John_KAYS

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(Duh) I can easily see that now. Thanks brother. I like this redi a lot and seems easy to setup and retrieve compared to some of the others.


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I've been there...It's like one of those optical illusions where you can only see it the one way, until you see what's really there and then it is so obvious. And yeah, this is a great redirect technique to have in your box o' tools.
Like, look at these shiny legs!

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or is it paint?:sorprendido3:
 
Great thread so far.
At 7:10 on this video is the best redirect I've come across and I now use it 90% of the time.
It allows you to distribute the loads equally either side of the redirect branch to avoid undesirable loading of the branch.
It's simple.
It's safer.
It's brilliant.
Credit to Morty for making the video.

http://arbtalk.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=1444284
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Is that the ART snake tail?


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JeffGu

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Nothing new, here, but I finally got around to trying Richard's ring-and-accessory-biner that's not quite on a bight redirect... and I really like that one. Tried it with both an aluminum and a steel ring. I see why he went with the aluminum one. Steel one comes down a lot faster on a more horizontal rope, but if it's anywhere near vertical that puppy will hurt when it hits you.

I'm talking about the one that allows you to use the full tail length. Don't know if he gave it a name, or not. Having the retrieval line on the end of the climbing rope (when needed) doesn't bother me. I put one on there for installing my canopy anchor, anyway, so leaving it on there if I think I'll need it is okay by me.

It's a really slick redirect, using simple stuff everybody probably already has. Thanks, @yoyoman for another great trick!
 
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