Ok, I want things to be apples to apples, so I bought a Weaver throw line kit with 2mm line and a 16 oz bag. The New Rev. 10 launcher, with a tiny 18" barrel I had for fishing. First try ever with a throw bag. The work I did with the USFS was weighted 6oz 'dead' tennis balls and smaller .8 mm braided line with bowfishing reels.