@TimBr lol thanks man. That certainly is my ugly mugg! I was on a camping slash fishing winter escape to Florida. Had my friend who's also an arb take the pic . Originally to show my wife an kids what the he'll I was doing while M.I.A.. I really had a great time in that tree. Had to get quick one for the scrap book. The pic really does it no justice. Not tall but the crown spread was enormous . Just an amazing creation !